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Post by michael on Apr 7, 2009 17:10:16 GMT -5
Ok who do you guys think would be a better or mopre effective ZERO? Lelouch with out his geass or L from Death Note?
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Post by Aoi Akuma on Apr 7, 2009 17:12:38 GMT -5
I'm not sure considering I never finished Death Note. :DBut I would choose L only because of the things I've heard.
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Post by michael on Apr 7, 2009 17:14:38 GMT -5
Yeah he is a brilliant character which is what i always wondered who was even smarter between the two
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Post by bradums on Apr 7, 2009 18:59:16 GMT -5
I'd say Lelouch. While L is a strategical genius and he has the insight to plan through most other people's plots, Lelouch is just as intelligent...except he has more of a cause and desire to use it. As well, L doesn't have Lelouch's charisma as a leader and that - just as much as his Geass and intelligence - brings his success.
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Post by Pon-Pon on Apr 7, 2009 19:04:45 GMT -5
You have an excellent point than i was hopping someone would point out the charisma but what about Light and Lelouch they are equal in charisma i mean they even reached entity status as Kira and Zero.
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Post by Sylvana Li Britannia on Apr 7, 2009 22:44:37 GMT -5
Ew. Deathnote.
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Post by Sakura Shizuka on Apr 8, 2009 10:55:17 GMT -5
Umm...L or Lulu, huh? While it is true that both are extremely intelligent and both are very good when it comes to strategic moves, I'd have to agree with Tristan on this. More is needed to be an effective leader beyond brain skills. One also has to have a motivation of sorts; and frankly, I feel that Lelouch's reason for fighting (ie: Nunnally)is greater than L's (ie: Bring justice)
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Post by Pon-Pon on Apr 8, 2009 13:46:49 GMT -5
Yes but remember over time Lelouch began to not only fight for his sister but for world justice when he enacted Zero Requiem. L had never really fought for justice all he did was fine cases that were intresting to him so say if L found out about the existance of Gears, and for the sake of argument lets say L found that as Evil or something that would mean he would have his own desire and motivation to stop him.
While Charisma does play a major component in leadership, what really made Lelouch pick up momentum with the Black Knights and Zero is because he was a Man of Miracles, I have no doubt in my mind that L (Example: who had no idea of the existance of a death note was able to find out its draw backs and publicly challenge Kira and almost mock him throughout the entire time until he died) could do the same with Gears and Lelouch. And in my opinion if he could do something like that, he seems like a more capable leader.
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Post by jonny on Apr 8, 2009 14:14:29 GMT -5
I say Lelouch, because whilst in Deathnote L was good was solving a crime, his actions never made you blink more than once, whereas with Code Geass and Lelouch, I was always - ALWAYS rewinding the video to make sure I hadn't just wet myself for nothing.
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Post by bradums on Apr 9, 2009 17:43:03 GMT -5
Agreed. To put it in other terms: L was a genius who was able to use his intelligence to out-think his opponents; Lelouch was a genius who was able to use his intelligence not only to out-think his opponents, but to orchestrate an entire series of events so that victory was the only outcome. And while L would catch you off-guard, Lelouch would completely blow you away with his complex series of strategies that would not only win a battle, but achieve an entire slew of goals in one fell swoop.
L is good. Lelouch is better. Intelligence and strategy aside, Lelouch's personal traits render him the best candidate for Zero. L has practically zero personality or charisma, and without charisma there's no chance at effectively leading the Black Knights.
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Post by Pon-Pon on Apr 9, 2009 17:52:56 GMT -5
Hmmmm that is another good point you make Tristan but in all honest the only Intellegent figure Lelouch ever faced off against was Schniezel and in those times he did face Schniezel he really didnt orchestrate an entire series of events so that victory was the only outcome, he lost to him aparently every time until The final battle.
The rest of his oponents were are easy enough to figure out to a highly intellegent person like Lelouch. So it was more like a skiled chess player kept playing regular people where his talents were shown to be on a higher thinking class, but when faced off against someone of equal intellegence whoever was luckier won or whoever made the first mistake lost
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Post by anderson on Apr 10, 2009 2:16:51 GMT -5
Hmm... seeing that there is strong evidences that L would make a poor Zero, I have another candidate in mind who can replace Lelouch as Zero entirely. This person doesn't just blow someone away, but also rips the person to shreds by making them entirely humiliated and etc. Although you guys get the point. The person I have in mind is Johan Liebert of an anime called "Monster". He can manipulate people to no ends, and essentially win out in the end. His entire strength lies within influencing some people to actually do the battle for him, and yet, he doesn't even have anything to lose from it.
I can bet that he can even influence an entire Britannian army by using their greed to turn against their masters and kill them off, all indirectly of course, making him, quite the mastermind that can make you mesmerized by his actions.
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Post by Aoi Akuma on Apr 10, 2009 19:42:48 GMT -5
Hm never heard of him. Sounds interesting though. He could probably be a great Zero.
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Post by lloyd on Sept 7, 2009 15:17:16 GMT -5
hmmm...I actually wrote a Fanfic about this, I posted the first few chapters in the Fanfic Area. However, wouldn't you think Light Yagami would be the Zero? L is British (and therefore probably Britannian), and, unlike Kira, he doesn't have strong beliefs apart from that he should stop Crime. And this also comes from his own sense of fun too. Light Yagami, though, has strong beliefs, and the same willingness to sacrifice for that belief.
Light and Lelouch's similarities are pretty obvious throughout the show. Both of them have allies that they despise but are invaluable to them (Misa and Rollo) Both of them are going against their fathers, though neither side knows it initially (Souchiro Yagami, Ol' Charles) Both of them can immediately cause people to die, They both know their worst enemy, who happens to go to the same school (L, Suzaku) Both of them have their ability watched by someone who can't die (C.C., Ryuk) Both of them end up killing their own family, Both of them end up heroes to many.
There are more, but you get the point.
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Post by bandit on Aug 11, 2010 4:43:02 GMT -5
I never really thought about the similarity's of L and Lelouch. Who knows maybe 'L' stood for Lelouch! Terrible joke...
Id have to say that no one can replace Lelouch as Zero, not Suzaku, not L, not Light, not Misa Misa, that's for sure.
Lelouch had style, cunning and flare that was unmatched by any Britannian or Japanese individual.
His passion for his sister that started a revolution that a commitment to a Zero Requiem once things got a bit shaky made Lelouches motives unstoppable, L would never have been able to pull it off because fighting for justice alone would just not have been enough.
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